• OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca
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    I am an amateur historian. I remember someone posted something completely wrong to push an anti immigrant agenda, like Muslims and Christians have never lived in harmony in history. I then pointed our Jerusalem constantly switching hands and pilgrim rights being respected, Coptics living under Mamalukian rule peacefully and overall under Ottomon rule 600 years later there’s still large swaths of Orthodox in Turkey just to name a few times. I got bombarded with comments, dms, all my posts on reddit were like downvoted and this crowd followed me to other subreddits to downvote and trash talk. Someone posted you follow R/Hometown so your from X Hometown. It was a very weird situation and I reported it all, it cleared up but I’m 60% I was targeted for being an active poster who leans left. I genuanlly thought I was one step from being doxxed…

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      there are entire villages in northern cyprus where they speak Greek to one another, only switching to Turkish when a foreigner walks in the room.

      There are monasteries and mosques dotting the countryside in equal measure

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      Your experience of that is pretty much the key reason I’ve not bothered to explain this outside of a very limited specialist community I owed a lot to as I was putting it together.

      I keep seeing new finds that would be really interesting to discuss, and I kind of hate seeing users confused about their own ancestral history while sitting knowing the answers, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to be the one putting controversial answers out there in a more public way.

      People are fucking nuts and it seems each day care less and less about actual truth and facts and more about tribalism and confirmation bias to the point of irrationality.

      Over the next few years a lot of stuff will be identified by AIs capable of better correlation of data points than researchers to date, and then it can be the AI that gets to be the object of crazy people’s ire and not actual humans that were just nerding out over research and data.

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        So in short, does the evidence linked mean that Jewish history and origin don’t align sith the Bible? Shocker. As if anything in there shouldn’t be taken with a bucketful of salt.

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          It’s more the opposite.

          That the mythologized history in the Bible does check out to a surprising degree for a LBA/Iron Age tribal ancestral origin of many Jews alive today.

          The problem is it’s not for the Israelites and Judah, and that’s what’s going to be the very controversial part.

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            So… the origin aligns with the bible, but what happened after that, doesn’t? Sorry if I’m being annoying, I’m still a bit sleepy and trying to make sense of this.

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              Yeah.

              You literally have a story in the Bible where a dude gets what appears in the text to be a matrilineal birthright stolen from him by the guy named ‘Israel.’

              Basically as time went on there’s this aggressive rewriting of earlier periods of the history. It’s hard to identify exactly when this happens (the Bible suggests it’s earlier on, but the reforms are anachronistic given discovered communications with Jerusalem and a Greek historian in antiquity claimed the history of the Jews had recently been edited by Persian and Macedonian rulers).

              But much like how Greek stories made pretty much everyone important Greek, the Israelite and Judean version of their history made everyone important Israelite or Judean and had the stories take place locally where they definitely didn’t happen.

              After the 10th century BCE the Biblical history starts to check out more and more, but before that it’s not at all true for the people and places claimed. But it seems to be in line in parts with attested history of different people who were settled in the area between the 12th and 10th centuries BCE.

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      I’ve experiences this on Lemmy and have blocked some instance, but probably just gonna give up on Lemmy too. I think I’m over talking to people (or bots? Who knows…) on the internet. It’s all bullshit anyway, politics, memes, advertising, blah, blah that doesn’t actually provide any meaning or positive things to my life. I was a passive observer of the internet for a long time before getting more active on reddit, and then Lemmy. I’m so tired of having to defend my opinions and people trying to start arguments out of nothing, and I don’t care enough to research political shit to provide a truly airtight argument before someone tears it apart, or whatever else other fight someone is trying to start on any given day. At one point I was arguing about something with someone, and we both had the same position: “Trump is bad”, but for some reason they were really going after me, even though we’re on the same side, because i was consuming “too much conspiracy news” thinking that the 2024 election was gonna get violent from Trump’s supporters. Really just over the social aspect of the internet in general, to be honest.

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        Modern misinformation is often let’s find some common ground so I may “Seem” altruistic. It’s unfortunate as common ground us the best way to reach people but it now being weaponized. “Trump is bad but atleast he’s not Biden, who is supporting the genocide in Gaza!!” Like Trump wouldn’t be doing the same shit, like come on…

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          Yup, yup. Really sick of having to defend a fact that a color is red, because someone else calls it magenta and now I have to go back and explain color theory and try to have an airtight persuasive argument to ‘win’ for something as obvious as a color… Or Trump…

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            It’s all apart of the plan, muddy the water, cause static, tire people out. I seen some mega bullshit bait posts of late on Lemmy of late (foreign bride stuff?). It’s best to downvote move on and not write 9 paragraphs but just say look heres the article sum in 2 sentences and move on. So atleast if someone follows the conversation they can say “we’ll here’s proof so I won’t bite on the troll bait”.

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        A classic expression that explains it better is “They are not hurting the right people”

        So people want to hurt other people, but is has to be the right people.

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          Yeah, I remember the disaffected Trump supporters. It’s not even like nobody told them Trump had no loyalty to anyone. Not that it justifies them wanting to hurt other people.

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    A set of baby twins that are going to slowly die over the next two years because the company that made a single shot cure wants to charge over $2,000,000 per dose and insurance won’t spend that much.

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      What the fuck.

      Sometimes I wish I was a billionaire so I could 1) cover these things immediately and 2) have enough influence to change the rules

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        The US hard up needs straight socialized Healthcare. Our model is complete shit.

        Their story gets even more screwed up. The woman who had the kids’ health insurance (through her work, cause murika) cut this drug and others like it the day after the woman’s kids were born. Doctors ran tests on her twins and confirmed the issue 4 days later.

        So if she’d have had her kids less than a week earlier, the insurance would have been forced to cover it. I practically find it hard to believe it was such a coincidence.

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          Either your info is out of date or you didn’t actually read the story. Insurance covered the shots, albeit only after being pressured. It’s fubar anyway, but the particular story you’re referencing resolved in a just way

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        Thing is that those billionnaires do exactly that, just the wrong way. No one needs to be a billionnaire or multimillionnaire.

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    My aunts FB comments. My whole life I thought she was a lovely sweet lady, who was always super nice to me… Then I saw some years later she told somone else in the comment section should kill himself. Simple reason: the other person had different political views. It turns out she is a hardcore racist with very fascist world view and she is super proud of it.

    I am not on FB for a very long time and I didn’t talk to her for 10+ years but I think it is for the best.

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      Far from the worst thing I have seen, but I went to a catholic school, and was somewhat involved with the local church associated with that school. There was a woman that was considered a good catholic woman, involved in everything, went to church every Sunday…the lot. One day I’m getting driven to school, we’re sat at some traffic lights and there’s a guy opposite whose car won’t start, she’s sat behind him going mad. I learned something that day.

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      … and written there in my last income slip was “here’s an extra 2000, to my favourite employee, ya filthy cunt.”

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      My credit card was cancelled due to nonpayment, so of course my credit score went up (a lot) because my DTI went down

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        I assume this is that famous american thing where you’re punished for paying cash, avoiding leasing and subscriptions?

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    Children being mistreated. I can’t. Not after having kids myself. I’m a wreck after seeing stuff like that now.

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      Although I don’t have kids everything I’ve heard about the Ruby Franke/8 Passengers case made my blood boil. That scumbag saw her kids as nothing but a way to get clicks and money, and I’m glad that she’s going to rot in prison.

      And related to this, add animal abuse to the list of things that make my blood boil too. It’s wild to think that until recently there was such a thing as a thriving “monkey torture network”.

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        Indeed. Horrific things. Innocent people and animals, so enraging to see.

        I was probably in my teens when I saw this video of stomping little bunnies with heels. Like sharp heel shoes, whatever you call them. And the bunnies could do nothing but receive this torture.

        Bear in mind I had watched beheadings and other gore prior to this, on a crazy early millennium Internet.

        But those bunnies. I had to turn it off.

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    The Russian brick video. Nothing gore involved and it’s an accident that can happen to anyone at anytime while driving.

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      The one with the man’s wife in the passenger seat?

      His cries were horrifying and so sad.

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    The numerous cases of 4chan users providing “tech support” to children who don’t know any better.

    Especially making a child put their parent’s laptop in the oven while throwing its battery in a bowl of salt water (which can short circuit the battery and cause it to catch fire btw).

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      I’m so happy that I didn’t see any of that. I did see a picture of a woman eating shit straight from someone’s ass twice tho. It was gross, but at least not anywhere near as bad.

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      Ugh that will probably never leave you. I haven’t seen CSAM since I stumbled on it in the 1990s but what I saw is still burnt into my brain. What has been seen cannot be unseen.

      This is one of the reasons I stay on kbin, it doesn’t autoload images.

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        Yeah it was pretty wild… At first I assumed it was some AI generated shit. It hit me a minute later that it was actually probably real.

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          I’m quite glad I missed that whole thing. I only saw the updates and was logging on after the servers had crashed or the admins were basically bricking the system. I basically couldn’t load lemmy for a few days, so I spent those days…I’m not sure. Probably staring blankly at the wall in front of me. Better than CSAM.

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      Similarly, I was on a sort of diary forum and someone decided to share their very graphic life story with no warning whatsoever.

      I mean I get why they shared it but it was so horrifying to know that a child went through that. I mean I know there’s always the possibility it was a fake post but given what I know about confirmed cases (including someone I know personally), I believe it.

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    For me it has to be an audio recording some old guy made of him hiding in his basement to confront two neighborhood teenagers who kept sneaking into his house. He shoots the guy first, then if i remember correctly the girl was in shock and said something like “you shot him” and then the old guy was like “you’re fucking dead removed” and executed her.

    Then he proceeded to leave the bodies in his basement over the weekend, then went to the cops to report the attempted robbery. Upon presenting his evidence, he was arrested.

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    Excluding anything that involved violence or injury (beyond gore), I’ll go with Kiwi Farms