In an unexpected mask off “secure” email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton’s services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let’s collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

Edit:typo

  • jokeyrhyme@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    4 minutes ago

    I know Google just donated to Trump’s inauguration, and also does all the stupid surveillance capitalism crap that Google does, but I just compared prices, and Google Workspace is a few dollars per month cheaper per user than Proton is, for my needs (family, custom domain names, etc)

    We’ve been on Proton for a few years, and it’s fine, but we do also have Pixel Android phones, and not using Google services constantly feels like swimming upstream, plus all family members also still end up having to use Google services for work, anyway

    It’s just not practical for me to de-Google, which is a shame, so I think I’ll be switching in a few months, unless pricing changes significantly :S

  • Nicro@discuss.tchncs.de
    12·
    2 hours ago

    I’m currently on Tuta, because I can’t imagine Mail without a free tier. It’s run out of Germany(EU). Its 3€ a month for the normal tier, free takes away most features. Like Proton, you need to use their (OSS)-Client, for encryption reasons. It’s currently growing and I hope they don’t go crazy anytime soon.

    I was looking at Posteo, but I don’t want my entire internet identity to be gone, if I ever can’t pay for it.

  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    26 minutes ago

    Damn dude. I swear I can’t wait for AI to program everything so I don’t have to keep track of the shitty things people do because we are a shit species.

    • e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de
      1·
      40 minutes ago

      I use and like posteo but their refusal to allow custom domain names, for in my opinion dubious reasons, should not go unmentioned.

      • nightm4re@feddit.org
        3·
        1 hour ago

        It’s not limited to German users, but those might be especially inclined since it’s a Berlin-based company 🙂

        • Saizaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          48 minutes ago

          I would actually argue that for privacy reasons when choosing an email provider you should go for one outside of the country you live in, even better go for one in a country that wouldn’t comply with your country’s court requests for data.

          Edit: ac corrected actually to factually lol

          • Mangoholic@lemmy.ml
            1·
            45 seconds ago

            Wouldn’t a provider that doesn’t comply with my country, instead comply with a lot more shady entities requests?

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
    252·
    4 hours ago

    Remember when businesses stayed the fuck out of politics so they didn’t alienate their customers because they like money? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

  • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
    4·
    2 hours ago

    Thank fuck I didn’t get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

    • filcuk@lemmy.zip
      21·
      35 minutes ago

      I am trying to understand this too… I don’t care about the CEO’s personal opinions, so long as Proton provide the service they promised.
      I’d be happy if someone would ELI5 as to why I’m wrong, I’m too lazy to switch otherwise.

      • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        17 minutes ago

        If yhe person running the show shows poor judgment in whose company they keep, where else have they had poor judgement?

  • echolalia@lemmy.ml
    16·
    6 hours ago

    Trump’s terrible politics aside:

    1. the Republican party is pushing legislation which requires you to identify yourself to view porn

    2. you can get around this with a VPN

    3. proton is a VPN (nonprofit, but still).

    I’ll be switching email providers when I can… I can’t remember when my subscription ends.

  • Onyx376@lemmy.ml
    281·
    7 hours ago

    Abandoning the Proton subscription now. How stupid and irresponsible. In fact, are running away from all your principles.

        • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          2 hours ago

          tech bro recommendations like Brave browser

          I’m never gonna recommend librewolf/mullvad browser/whatever is popular these days to a coworker, even if I daily drive them. Do you know what I did suggest to them, and they actually switched to it from chrome? Brave.

          It’s not the best, it’s not the most powerful, but being able to say “it’s chrome but without ads” is a major selling point, especially with non tech savy people who don’t want their cookies cleared on every restart

          • sudoer777@lemmy.ml
            2·
            43 minutes ago

            Nowadays I would recommend Zen Browser + uBO over Brave which has a nice user-friendly UI and supposedly disables telemetry. Before Zen Browser, disabling the crap Brave comes with takes a similar amount of effort as tweaking Librewolf’s aggressive privacy settings, but one of them is actually privacy focused and the other is run by a shady ad crypto company with a shady news feed that keeps pushing Fox News and a homophobic CEO. For mobile there’s Cromite.

  • bpev@lemmy.world
    6·
    6 hours ago

    Yo so question for y’alls: what’s your opinion on using custom domain (for portability) vs masked emails?

    Rn I have my main emails on my personal domain, and then I have masked emails going through [email protected] for more anonymity + segmenting (err i mean just being able to disable a certain address individually) . But watching all this reminded me that if I decided to move away from fastmail, i’m much more locked-in this way. Do y’alls use a custom domain for masked email as well? The one thing I don’t like about that is that it’d be so easy to connect multiple accounts based on domain, so anonymity is probably kinda broken.

    • sudoer777@lemmy.ml
      3·
      1 hour ago

      I use a custom domain for basically all emails since I care more about portability than anonymity. Each account gets its own address, and if a site gets hacked and I start getting spam then I know which one it was. If I really wanted anonymity for something then I would use a randomly generated masked email.

  • vga@sopuli.xyz
    39·
    2 hours ago

    Apple has recently declared that they’re keeping their DEI programs in contrast to other tech companies, so I suppose Lemmy crowd would approve that? Their CEO being openly gay since 2014 probably works as some sort of a guarantee, at least as long as he keeps being the CEO.

    So I’ll suggest: Apple hardware + icloud. User experience (with apple hardware) 10/10. Pricing: Hardware price + monthly cost. Integrity: who knows, but they seem to deriving their income from their devices more than many other things.

    Monthly cost depends on geographical location and storage size, but in EU area per month:

    • 5GB is free
    • 50GB = 1 euro
    • 200GB = 3 euros
    • 2TB = 10 euros

    That storage and cost can be shared with up to 5 family members.

    I used this for a long time and it worked really really well. But it really does practically depend on having Apple devices, preferably on every level. I recently moved to Proton because I wanted to move to Linux, but I do miss the UX and reliability quite a lot. Icloud’s web service isn’t bad though but wasn’t good enough for me.