If you’re going to keep talking like this, then get it really correct, dumbass. No human group is indigenous to North or South America, every single group immigrated here. Some did so 30,000 years ago, 20,000 or so years before the Levantine fairy tales claim the world began, and people have been coming here since then. And things were pretty decent in most parts until the religious nutcases arrived. And then the mercantile types came along and made things exponentially worse. As someone who was born on these lands, and grew up with many First Nations friends, I have the utmost respect for them and their cultures. It sounds like you’re more of a troll than anything else.
I mean, yeah, every plot of land was “stolen” from another group throughout history. Even going back to before Homo sapiens, and most certainly between indigenous tribes.
Fortunately, Canada has acknowledged our history, and has been in the position to give back and support our first nations throughout the years.
More work needs to be done, for sure, but this doesn’t diminish Canada in any way.
I see you’re from Iowa so probably not familiar with a lot of our news. Here are a few links to recent land and governance transfers, and modern treaties in BC. As I live here these are the ones I know about, there are probably more in other provinces. While there is still so much to be done, these are excellent starts. Cheers
There’s something called the internet that can answer all your stupid questions. Start with, ‘has the US given back any land they stole from Indigenous people?’
This colonizer horse shit ignores the fact that the people you stole the land from are still here.
Yeah, so I have relatives with first nation blood, so I won’t own your toxic comment.
Where’s the repairations?
Without knowing what you consider to be important, the Government of Canada has helped to fund quite a few projects to help our indigenous people: Healthcare, infrastructure, social assistance, clean water, trade, business and economic growth within their communities, etc.
Hundreds of millions are spent each year to ensure that we do what’s right.
We’ve settled land claims (with more to come), and have worked to protect first nation culture and languages.
There’s always more to be done, and as I mentioned, Canada acknowledges that this is still a work in progress.
That’s never going to happen. Various bands are not getting back land that now host large cities and infrastructure. You can rail against that injustice until your death, which will accomplish nothing, or you can try to find a way forward.
And I say this as someone who believes that Canadian demographics are against you. The white guilt of colonization is quickly diluting into the pool of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who feel no guilt and have no connection to this questionable past. At that point nobody will care and your culture will be erased like so many others in the past.
I don’t know about lack of reparations. Where I live it is only the Indigenous groups that have massive amounts of federal and provincial money to spend. All sorts of fancy new buildings going up for housing and recreation and self-government.
I honestly don’t understand the downvotes. Canada is a settler colonial state, does anyone dispute that here? The indigenous people were coerced into “signing treaties” without having the legal and cultural framework, and without having the status and power to be fully free parties into a free agreement. And regardless, this is one of the things we are actually doing better(*) than the yanks: we have had a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and we are learning to cope with our past. Every person who becomes Canadian swears to “faithfully observe the laws of Canada including the Constitution which recognizes and affirms the aboriginal and treaty rights of First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples”.
The US is a country that had a noble foundation and a shitty follow through. Canada is the opposite: a shitty foundation, a noble follow through. We are precisely the one of the two that does not pretend we came from the pure ideal of some idealized founding daddies, we specifically understand that we must always improve. We’re a forward facing people. That’s why I’m proud to be Canadian.
(*) “better”, not well. We actually have a very long way to go, and we still are very bad at treating indigenous people. The downvotes actually attest to that.
There’s been a surge of Canadian nationalism because of Trump’s trade war bullshit, a lot of Canadians don’t want to hear any attacks on the motherland. A similar thing is happening in Europe.
Good. Proud to be Canadian.
Still stolen land.
Yes, and so is the USA. Canada needs to work on its own problems, not be annexed by another country with similar problems.
Yeah, Canada’s problems don’t need to be solved by annexation, and wouldn’t be solved by annexation.
Both need to be abolished.
Is there a practical component to your argument or are you just sticking with ideal hypotheticals.
I would practically like to see Canada and the US broken up by indigenous resistance.
It seems impossible until it is inevitable.
If you’re going to keep talking like this, then get it really correct, dumbass. No human group is indigenous to North or South America, every single group immigrated here. Some did so 30,000 years ago, 20,000 or so years before the Levantine fairy tales claim the world began, and people have been coming here since then. And things were pretty decent in most parts until the religious nutcases arrived. And then the mercantile types came along and made things exponentially worse. As someone who was born on these lands, and grew up with many First Nations friends, I have the utmost respect for them and their cultures. It sounds like you’re more of a troll than anything else.
You call me a troll and then say no one is indigenous? And pretend like you respect any of your so-called friends? 🙄
Yep
I mean, yeah, every plot of land was “stolen” from another group throughout history. Even going back to before Homo sapiens, and most certainly between indigenous tribes.
Fortunately, Canada has acknowledged our history, and has been in the position to give back and support our first nations throughout the years.
More work needs to be done, for sure, but this doesn’t diminish Canada in any way.
This colonizer horse shit ignores the fact that the people you stole the land from are still here. Where’s the repairations?
Clearly you’re not paying attention.
Has Canada started returning the land it stole?
I see you’re from Iowa so probably not familiar with a lot of our news. Here are a few links to recent land and governance transfers, and modern treaties in BC. As I live here these are the ones I know about, there are probably more in other provinces. While there is still so much to be done, these are excellent starts. Cheers
Haida Title Lands Agreement Agreement
CBC article
Nisga’a Final Agreement (2000) Agreement
More information
K’ómoks First Nation (In process) BC Govt page on the process
Final Treaty Document
K’omoks website
And when will they give it all back? And how about all the profits made from resource extraction? The minerals, trees, and oil were stolen too.
Let’s ask, for example, @[email protected] about how he feels about things, instead of an agitator. He has a lot of stories to tell.
There’s something called the internet that can answer all your stupid questions. Start with, ‘has the US given back any land they stole from Indigenous people?’
Actually, Yes
Yeah, so I have relatives with first nation blood, so I won’t own your toxic comment.
Without knowing what you consider to be important, the Government of Canada has helped to fund quite a few projects to help our indigenous people: Healthcare, infrastructure, social assistance, clean water, trade, business and economic growth within their communities, etc.
Hundreds of millions are spent each year to ensure that we do what’s right.
We’ve settled land claims (with more to come), and have worked to protect first nation culture and languages.
There’s always more to be done, and as I mentioned, Canada acknowledges that this is still a work in progress.
A few government handouts don’t make up for the centuries of superexploitation.
Land back or nothing.
Two questions:
Are you in Canada?
Are you/your people indigenous to land now within Canadian borders?
That’s never going to happen. Various bands are not getting back land that now host large cities and infrastructure. You can rail against that injustice until your death, which will accomplish nothing, or you can try to find a way forward.
And I say this as someone who believes that Canadian demographics are against you. The white guilt of colonization is quickly diluting into the pool of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who feel no guilt and have no connection to this questionable past. At that point nobody will care and your culture will be erased like so many others in the past.
1% Indian princess encourages those whining natives to shut up, they’re listening!
I don’t know about lack of reparations. Where I live it is only the Indigenous groups that have massive amounts of federal and provincial money to spend. All sorts of fancy new buildings going up for housing and recreation and self-government.
That’s some good longevity, Lou.
I honestly don’t understand the downvotes. Canada is a settler colonial state, does anyone dispute that here? The indigenous people were coerced into “signing treaties” without having the legal and cultural framework, and without having the status and power to be fully free parties into a free agreement. And regardless, this is one of the things we are actually doing better(*) than the yanks: we have had a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and we are learning to cope with our past. Every person who becomes Canadian swears to “faithfully observe the laws of Canada including the Constitution which recognizes and affirms the aboriginal and treaty rights of First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples”.
The US is a country that had a noble foundation and a shitty follow through. Canada is the opposite: a shitty foundation, a noble follow through. We are precisely the one of the two that does not pretend we came from the pure ideal of some idealized founding daddies, we specifically understand that we must always improve. We’re a forward facing people. That’s why I’m proud to be Canadian.
(*) “better”, not well. We actually have a very long way to go, and we still are very bad at treating indigenous people. The downvotes actually attest to that.
There’s been a surge of Canadian nationalism because of Trump’s trade war bullshit, a lot of Canadians don’t want to hear any attacks on the motherland. A similar thing is happening in Europe.