Hellwig is the maintainer of the DMA subsystem. Hellwig previously blocked rust bindings for DMA code, which in part resulted in Hector Martin from stepping down as a kernel maintainer and eventually Asahi Linux as a whole.
Hellwig is the maintainer of the DMA subsystem. Hellwig previously blocked rust bindings for DMA code, which in part resulted in Hector Martin from stepping down as a kernel maintainer and eventually Asahi Linux as a whole.
Man, imagine if he had just come out and said this earlier before burning out a kernel contributor…
You’re implying that Linus is somehow responsible for burning out Marcan? I don’t think that’s a fair assessment.
Linus should have stepped in earlier. The R4L guys have been running against walls over and over (just look at how T’so, the “thin blue line” guy, spewed hate at that one conference), because individual developers think they can use their power to slow down the R4L project. They don’t argue on a technical level. Linus, as the project lead, has to step in when this happens, otherwise the experiment can’t work.
But he did step in, albeit privately. I actually agree an earlier public statement would have helped, but we don’t know the specifics of what went on behind the scenes.
In any case, I don’t think it’s fair to assign blame for Marcan’s burnout to Linus, as the post above did. Marcan himself mentioned personal reasons too when he announced his departure. I think we should show understanding and patience with both sides, and assigning blame isn’t helping with that.
I’m not trying to assign blame for Marcan’s burnout, but it’s important to try and understand what went wrong here, because things did go wrong. Linus’s earlier inaction (I haven’t seen anything about reaching out privately, could you link that?) isn’t the cause of it, but it’s what should have prevented things from going this far.
If we ignore what went wrong, the same thing will happen again.
Yeah, here it is: https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/1f52fa44062e9395d54ed6733780aea0830ee6a5.camel@HansenPartnership.com/T/#m8f8599678bc864662eae28756cba25981fc2c0ac
Thanks!
To add nuance to my comment: I think that Linus mismanaged the conflict, and that this was a significant and avoidable factor in Marcan getting burned out. For an example of how Linus could have approached this instead: he could have publicly criticized both Marcan and Hellwig at the same time, rather than first publicly criticizing Marcan and then only after Marcan left publicly criticizing Hellwig for his own behavior. This probably would have made Marcan feel less picked on and less likely to have been burnt out. (Or maybe not; I do not claim to deal in certainties.)
nonsense.
at what point did Linus frustrate the contributor? it was Hellwig all the way
The contributor’s frustration with Linus started with Linus ignoring multiple explicit requests for his intervention. When the contributor was so frustrated at the lack of response from Linus that he had the audacity to talk about it off list (linking here because the original toot has been deleted), it was at that point that Linus finally chimed in to tell the contributor “Maybe the problem is you,” implying that Hellwig’s obstructionism was not a problem in his eyes and that the only issue was the contributor drawing public attention to it.
you went from “ignored” to “lack of response” in one sentence there. either way you’re implying a malicious ignorance on Linus’ part
the contributor posted 29th and went “public” on the 4th. they lasted a whole 5 days before throwing their toys out of the mailing list pram into social media
Linus deemed this behaviour problematic and started to assess the situation. contributor quit
eventually Linus responds by reminding Hellwig of the situation. nothing has changed. R4L continues with the same rules as before.
do you really think burnout happens because of one incident? it takes time and Hellwig and co have been the problem that entire time, not Linus