The much maligned “Trusted Computing” idea requires that the party you are supposed to trust deserves to be trusted, and Google is DEFINITELY NOT worthy of being trusted, this is a naked power grab to destroy the open web for Google’s ad profits no matter the consequences, this would put heavy surveillance in Google’s hands, this would eliminate ad-blocking, this would break any and all accessibility features, this would obliterate any competing platform, this is very much opposed to what the web is.

  • jherazob@beehaw.orgOPEnglish
    192·
    1 year ago

    Note of amusement: The GitHub issues tracker for that proposal got swamped with tickets either mocking this crap or denouncing it for what it is, this morning the person who seems to be the head of the project closed all those tickets and published this blog post, in essence saying “Shut up with your ethical considerations, give us a hand in putting up this electric fence around the web”. Of course that didn’t stop it.

    Also somebody pointed out this gem in the proposal, quoted here:

    6.2. Privacy considerations

    Todo

    Quick edit: This comment on one of the closed tickets points out the contact information of the Antitrust authorities of both US and EU, i think i’m gonna drop the EU folks a note

    Edit: And they disabled commenting on the issues tracker

    • TheOakTree@beehaw.orgEnglish
      91·
      1 year ago

      My favorite part is when they ask you to give them the benefit of the doubt, but also anyone who disagrees with them in a way that doesn’t fit their expectations is “noise.”

      • Norgur@kbin.social
        44·
        1 year ago

        And if you have issues with the “use case” itself, you’re shit out of luck, shut it, shithead!

        If you raise legal issues with the ‘use case’ of their ‘web platform’ thing, ppl will just not respond to you!

        Meaning: we don’t care if the shot we plan might be illegal, and we won’t be stopped by you fucks telling us if it is or not "

    • BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zipEnglish
      59·
      1 year ago

      Wow, that blog post is truly nauseating and infuriating to read, knowing the context.

      Fuck Google. They’re the Nestlé of tech.

      • 👍Maximum Derek👍@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        30·
        1 year ago

        I don’t think Google has recently insisted that child slavery is just a thing we all have to be OK with if we want chocolate, or starved millions of babies by convincing their mothers that their breast milk is dangerous. But I also wouldn’t be shocked to learn that they had…

        • BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zipEnglish
          18·
          1 year ago

          Ha! Fair point. I guess the Internet is ultimately peanuts compared to the real world.

          But as far as relative negative effect on its sphere of influence, I’d say they’re comparable.

        • fulano@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          No, but they accepted to publish political fake news ads for one of the running parties (the fascistoid one, of course) in the last elections here in Brazil.

          That party has lost, but it was too close. In the 4 last years, during their mandate, hunger, violence, discrimination rape, and other problems rose to the highest levels in the century.

          Google and other big tech companies have been influencing elections in a lot of places, and the consequences are enormous.

    • Nepenthe@kbin.social
      36·
      1 year ago

      [Don’t assume consensus nor finished state]

      Often a proposal is just that - someone trying to solve a problem by proposing technical means to address it. Having a proposal sent out to public forums doesn’t necessarily imply that the sender’s employer is determined on pushing that proposal as is.

      It also doesn’t mean that the proposal is “done” and the proposal authors won’t appreciate constructive suggestions for improvement.

      [Be the signal, not the noise]

      In cases where controversial browser proposals (or lack of adoption for features folks want, which is a related, but different, subject), it’s not uncommon to see issues with dozens or even hundreds of comments from presumably well-intentioned folks, trying to influence the team working on the feature to change their minds.

      In the many years I’ve been working on the web platform, I’ve yet to see this work. Not even once.

      …?
      What is this, “Good vibes only?”

      • tojikomori@kbin.social
        24·
        1 year ago

        “Good vibes only” seems to be embedded in the culture of web development today. Influential devs’ Twitter accounts have strong Instagram vibes: constantly promoting and congratulating each other, never sharing substantive criticisms. Hustle hustle.

        People with deep, valid criticisms of popular frameworks like React seem to be ostracized as cranks.

        It’s all very vapid and depressing.

        • rambaroo@beehaw.org
          2·
          1 year ago

          Do you have an article about react? I’d love to read it. And yes tech is chock full of egos and fakers.

          • tojikomori@kbin.social
            1·
            1 year ago

            Alex Russell is a good read on React. His position gives him a broad view of its impacts and has kept him from being sidelined. This Changelog podcast is a decent distillation of his criticisms – it was recorded earlier this year, a few days after his Market For Lemons blog post.

            (Sorry for the late reply! I’ve been a bit swamped lately and away from kbin.)

      • rambaroo@beehaw.org
        4·
        1 year ago

        Never seen it work? These faang people are totally delusional. Google keeps putting off their third party cookie retirement exactly because of outcries like this.

    • resetreboot@geddit.socialEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      We developers should stop just looking at the technical side of our work only. There’s social, economic and values to be taken into account when we put our minds to solve a problem. We tend to go blindly into it, without thinking what it can cause when it is released into the world.

      It’s like if we put a bunch of developers into a secret project to develop an Internet World Wide Nuclear Bomb a là Project Manhattan… the leaders shouldn’t really have to hide what they were about to do, just throw the developers and engineers troubles to solve and they wouldn’t mind what it will be used for. It’s just tech, right?

      At least this guy seems to fit the type: I want to do this technology I’ve been tasked for, I’m trying to solve a technological problem. The rest of the world is telling him «Man, this is a bad idea to implement.» and he whines saying «I want solutions to this technology, not what is wrong with it!»

      (And if you aren’t one of those developers, congratulations, we need more of you!)