They’ve also kind of devalued them by giving the old ones for free. I got Black Flag and Unity for nothing that I haven’t gotten around to playing yet; Unity’s graphics still looks better than the recent ones, scope and world size notwithstanding.
Yeah they put a black samurai in it. Of course the screeching ggamers were screeching about “historical accuracy “…… and then of course there was a story about a black samurai …. So they had to shut up
On the contrary. The word on the conservative circles is how awful the game is and how it doesn’t compare.
I’m serious. They’re not shutting up about it (and if you think that’s happening you’re in a bubble). The actual discussion point is that this game is a failure.
To be fair, yasuke never was a samurai. He was a bodyguard of a jesuit monk (I think?) and was sold to obu nobunaga because he thought he looked “funny”. He was a trusted retainer under nobunaga, but never owned land or was a samurai.
To be fair to be fair, those people never complained about the historical accuracy with Pope sword fights, or Leonardo Divinci having technology that wouldn’t be produced until the 1800s, and I’m sure many more historical inaccuracies involving white folks.
Is kinda suss though that Ubisoft couldn’t do more black characters when in the Americas though, but can totally do it when it’s in Asia. 🙆🏾♂️
I don’t know about other people in his exact position. I do know, however, that in historical records, he was referred to as “suke” which means retainer, not “bushi”.
Except there’s no clear cut definition of a samurai like that in that period. The class definition wasn’t that strict for most of Japan’s history, including the sengoku period - even ashigaru were considered samurai in some places.
Yasuke was a professional warrior (almost certainly more than just a regular ashigaru) who fought as a retainer of the Oda clan, that’s a samurai. And we’re pretty sure he did actual fighting, we just don’t know if he was in full armor and everything.
The daimyo is the one who owns the land and gives it to his retainers as he wants, samurais don’t automatically own land by definition.
Yasuke was a professional warrior (almost certainly more than just a regular ashigaru) who fought as a retainer of the Oda clan, that’s a samurai
Not necessarily - not everyone who fought was a samurai, just as not everyone who fought in medieval europe was a knight. However, I do agree that the definition is not entirely strict. He might’ve been a bodyguard, which is the most likely what happened here, which would also explain his loyalty to nobunaga.
And we’re pretty sure he did actual fighting
He was doing actual fighting, there are records of this happening, at least one confirmed battle happened in 1582 when nobunaga was betrayed by mitsuhide. There’s no doubt about that.
Not necessarily - not everyone who fought was a samurai, just as not everyone who fought in medieval europe was a knight. However, I do agree that the definition is not entirely strict.
Yes, not necessarily, but that’s the thing - the people who claim he couldn’t be a samurai because he didn’t have such or such are making up requirements that didn’t exist at that time. We don’t know if he was called one or not because we don’t have records about him from the people who might have had something to say.
We do have accounts that Nobunaga was impressed with his strength, made him test fight multiple people in shows of strength, gifted him a sword (which is kind of a big deal), and that he was captured by Akechi (and then freed) when he was trying to defend Nobunaga at Honnouji. He might have been just a bodyguard, yes, but even if he was, we don’t know if Nobunaga was calling him a samurai or not, because being a samurai wasn’t a rank or a title. Maybe a bodyguard could be called a samurai depending on how important and trusted he was, and Yasuke was trusted by Nobunaga. My point is that the people dismissing the samurai title are doing so based on a wrong premise - and we have no account that could be relevant in proving it right or wrong.
He was doing actual fighting, there are records of this happening, at least one confirmed battle happened in 1582 when nobunaga was betrayed by mitsuhide. There’s no doubt about that.
Yeah, that’s the one we know about, the Honnouji attack. I mean we don’t know if he took active part in large scale battles like the Tenshou Iga war doing more than standing around Nobunaga, which is depicted in the game with him leading charge - but that can be easily counted as creative liberty. Honnouji was a surprise attack on a temple, not a battlefield, so naturally, anyone caught in it would be fighting, especially a bodyguard.
Mori Ranmaru, Oda’s other famous fuckboy bodyguard who was also at Honnouji, was a samurai because of his family and was also mostly a close bodyguard, I don’t think he’s recorded as having actively participated in any battle either. And apparently he didn’t even have any land to his name beside his family, either, but he’s still clearly called a samurai.
Yes, I agree that most people are just throwing made up nonsense at ubisoft, no doubt there.
However, the sengoku period is one of the most interesting periods of japanese history, and ubisoft could’ve EASIELY chosen an actual japanese samurai from that time, like hattori hanzo or sanado yukimura, both extremely well known throughout japanese history. Ubisoft choosing the only (recorded) black person in japan during that time just leaves a bad aftertaste in my opinion. The main character of the AC series always represented the area where he’s from - ezio for italy, connor for america, etc, you get the point.
Maybe a bodyguard could be called a samurai depending on how important and trusted he was, and Yasuke was trusted by Nobunaga
Maybe, however, personally, I don’t think so. I obviously have no solid proof, but an “outsider” earning the highest title a normal person can earn in feudal japan seems very outlandish. Public pressure would’ve probably prevented nobunaga from gifting him that title. No doubt he trusted him and received a lot of stuff, but putting him near the top of the social order … nah. I don’t think that happened. But then again, no proof.
but an “outsider” earning the highest title a normal person can earn in feudal japan seems very outlandish.
William Adams was specifically known to have been granted the title of samurai by Tokugawa Ieyasu, and that’s precisely in the period immediately at the end of the Sengoku where the title of samurai begins to change as a status (in the sense of being more restricted and codified). And there’s zero way that “public pressure” would have pushed Oda Nobunaga to change shit about something he decided to like, he’s the last guy of that era on which public pressure did anything. No one from Oda’s circle would have called him out on that.
Again, a samurai wasn’t necessarily “at the top of social order”, there are places where ashigaru, the lowest rung on the ladder, were called samurai. It’s a misconception.
As for chosing an actual Japanese person from the time - there is a second playable character who is the fictional daughter of one of those famous real people from that time and an actual ninja from Iga. You play as her for the first 10 hours or so before Yasuke even becomes playable (except for the introduction mission). This argument is ridiculous and just plain bad faith.
Well, considering Japan itself is saying that the game is disrespectful… Looks more like Ubisoft wanted to help themselves to a nice slice of tokenism. Corporations are going to corporate.
They did not say the game is disrespectful. They were worried that if players can deface of destroy a temple or harm people with a katana ingame, they might be inspired to do it in real life too.
Ubisoft released a patch that now made shrines indestructible.
The response from the prime minister is really just about being worried people copy the ingame behavior of destroying a shrine, to real life.
So saying “Japan” says the “game is disrespectful” is just not true.
So… Imagine I want to buy a car, but I find out it’s an incredibly unsafe car through listening to the user experiences of people who’ve had issues with it… But my opinion is invalid because I haven’t bought the car?
I have another one for you; your opinion is invalid because you’re a fanboy. Game is trash and you’re too stupid to see it.
Cars have ncaap ratings from qualified professionals who actually crash test them and publish the results, maybe listen to them instead when buying a car.
I thought this was a crippling failure because it was woke or something?
I’d expect it to be a failure because it’s a 70$ ubishit paint-by-numbers, but I’ll find out in two years when it’s 15$
Yeah, I was utterly shocked at the price. £70 to download or £56 on disk.
The last Assassins Creed I played was Odyssey and that was well after release so I paid a far more reasonable £30 or so.
They’ve also kind of devalued them by giving the old ones for free. I got Black Flag and Unity for nothing that I haven’t gotten around to playing yet; Unity’s graphics still looks better than the recent ones, scope and world size notwithstanding.
Yeah they put a black samurai in it. Of course the screeching ggamers were screeching about “historical accuracy “…… and then of course there was a story about a black samurai …. So they had to shut up
On the contrary. The word on the conservative circles is how awful the game is and how it doesn’t compare.
I’m serious. They’re not shutting up about it (and if you think that’s happening you’re in a bubble). The actual discussion point is that this game is a failure.
That goes a long way to explain the YouTube commentariat !
To be fair, yasuke never was a samurai. He was a bodyguard of a jesuit monk (I think?) and was sold to obu nobunaga because he thought he looked “funny”. He was a trusted retainer under nobunaga, but never owned land or was a samurai.
To be fair to be fair, those people never complained about the historical accuracy with Pope sword fights, or Leonardo Divinci having technology that wouldn’t be produced until the 1800s, and I’m sure many more historical inaccuracies involving white folks.
Is kinda suss though that Ubisoft couldn’t do more black characters when in the Americas though, but can totally do it when it’s in Asia. 🙆🏾♂️
Other people in his exact position were called samurai back then, at least that’s what I’ve read around
I don’t know about other people in his exact position. I do know, however, that in historical records, he was referred to as “suke” which means retainer, not “bushi”.
Except there’s no clear cut definition of a samurai like that in that period. The class definition wasn’t that strict for most of Japan’s history, including the sengoku period - even ashigaru were considered samurai in some places.
Yasuke was a professional warrior (almost certainly more than just a regular ashigaru) who fought as a retainer of the Oda clan, that’s a samurai. And we’re pretty sure he did actual fighting, we just don’t know if he was in full armor and everything.
The daimyo is the one who owns the land and gives it to his retainers as he wants, samurais don’t automatically own land by definition.
Not necessarily - not everyone who fought was a samurai, just as not everyone who fought in medieval europe was a knight. However, I do agree that the definition is not entirely strict. He might’ve been a bodyguard, which is the most likely what happened here, which would also explain his loyalty to nobunaga.
He was doing actual fighting, there are records of this happening, at least one confirmed battle happened in 1582 when nobunaga was betrayed by mitsuhide. There’s no doubt about that.
Yes, not necessarily, but that’s the thing - the people who claim he couldn’t be a samurai because he didn’t have such or such are making up requirements that didn’t exist at that time. We don’t know if he was called one or not because we don’t have records about him from the people who might have had something to say.
We do have accounts that Nobunaga was impressed with his strength, made him test fight multiple people in shows of strength, gifted him a sword (which is kind of a big deal), and that he was captured by Akechi (and then freed) when he was trying to defend Nobunaga at Honnouji. He might have been just a bodyguard, yes, but even if he was, we don’t know if Nobunaga was calling him a samurai or not, because being a samurai wasn’t a rank or a title. Maybe a bodyguard could be called a samurai depending on how important and trusted he was, and Yasuke was trusted by Nobunaga. My point is that the people dismissing the samurai title are doing so based on a wrong premise - and we have no account that could be relevant in proving it right or wrong.
Yeah, that’s the one we know about, the Honnouji attack. I mean we don’t know if he took active part in large scale battles like the Tenshou Iga war doing more than standing around Nobunaga, which is depicted in the game with him leading charge - but that can be easily counted as creative liberty. Honnouji was a surprise attack on a temple, not a battlefield, so naturally, anyone caught in it would be fighting, especially a bodyguard.
Mori Ranmaru, Oda’s other famous
fuckboybodyguard who was also at Honnouji, was a samurai because of his family and was also mostly a close bodyguard, I don’t think he’s recorded as having actively participated in any battle either. And apparently he didn’t even have any land to his name beside his family, either, but he’s still clearly called a samurai.Yes, I agree that most people are just throwing made up nonsense at ubisoft, no doubt there.
However, the sengoku period is one of the most interesting periods of japanese history, and ubisoft could’ve EASIELY chosen an actual japanese samurai from that time, like hattori hanzo or sanado yukimura, both extremely well known throughout japanese history. Ubisoft choosing the only (recorded) black person in japan during that time just leaves a bad aftertaste in my opinion. The main character of the AC series always represented the area where he’s from - ezio for italy, connor for america, etc, you get the point.
Maybe, however, personally, I don’t think so. I obviously have no solid proof, but an “outsider” earning the highest title a normal person can earn in feudal japan seems very outlandish. Public pressure would’ve probably prevented nobunaga from gifting him that title. No doubt he trusted him and received a lot of stuff, but putting him near the top of the social order … nah. I don’t think that happened. But then again, no proof.
William Adams was specifically known to have been granted the title of samurai by Tokugawa Ieyasu, and that’s precisely in the period immediately at the end of the Sengoku where the title of samurai begins to change as a status (in the sense of being more restricted and codified). And there’s zero way that “public pressure” would have pushed Oda Nobunaga to change shit about something he decided to like, he’s the last guy of that era on which public pressure did anything. No one from Oda’s circle would have called him out on that.
Again, a samurai wasn’t necessarily “at the top of social order”, there are places where ashigaru, the lowest rung on the ladder, were called samurai. It’s a misconception.
As for chosing an actual Japanese person from the time - there is a second playable character who is the fictional daughter of one of those famous real people from that time and an actual ninja from Iga. You play as her for the first 10 hours or so before Yasuke even becomes playable (except for the introduction mission). This argument is ridiculous and just plain bad faith.
Well, considering Japan itself is saying that the game is disrespectful… Looks more like Ubisoft wanted to help themselves to a nice slice of tokenism. Corporations are going to corporate.
They did not say the game is disrespectful. They were worried that if players can deface of destroy a temple or harm people with a katana ingame, they might be inspired to do it in real life too. Ubisoft released a patch that now made shrines indestructible.
The response from the prime minister is really just about being worried people copy the ingame behavior of destroying a shrine, to real life.
So saying “Japan” says the “game is disrespectful” is just not true.
Source: https://www.gamesradar.com/games/action-rpg/assassins-creed-shadows-draws-attention-of-japans-prime-minister-who-says-defacing-a-shrine-is-out-of-the-question-in-real-life-but-politicians-acknowledge-freedom-of-expression-must-be-respected-in-the-game/
Guy: “They did not say the game is disrespectful.”
Also guy: “Players could destroy and deface temples.”
It’s a failure because it’s trash. The game is honestly laughably bad.
So I wonder where all the players come from.
Did you play it?
I don’t spend money so loosely like that. Ubisoft is no longer trustworthy, so no.
Instead, I watched gameplay from it, which tells me everything I need to know. Helps with avoiding wasting money on mediocre AAAA releases.
Right so you didnt play it though, therefore your opinion is largely worthless tbf
So… Imagine I want to buy a car, but I find out it’s an incredibly unsafe car through listening to the user experiences of people who’ve had issues with it… But my opinion is invalid because I haven’t bought the car?
I have another one for you; your opinion is invalid because you’re a fanboy. Game is trash and you’re too stupid to see it.
Cars have ncaap ratings from qualified professionals who actually crash test them and publish the results, maybe listen to them instead when buying a car.
Yes. My point. Thank you for proving it.
I dont think random journalist and youtubers coint since its art not a machine but you do you
Hard for me to argue, as I never liked any Assassin Creed video game, lol.
Just reporting on what seems to be said in my circle.