hendrik

But that’s just not entirely true. I think you’re confusing this with some source-available licenses or these silly amendmends to licenses that make it defacto proprietary. But this isn’t the case here. This statement in the CLA doesn’t take away any rights. It gives additional ones (yet to them, not to you, that’s true). And it’s in addition to the AGPL. All of the AGPL applies in addition to the CLA. Every single freedom, just as if the CLA weren’t there. You can use it, modify it, copy it, etc… And no one can take this away any more.

The “around a decade” of course applies. And none of that has to do with the signing away copyright per CLA. You also don’t know if Linus Torvalds is around in 5 years and keeps maintaining the kernel to your liking. You also don’t know if any of the big open source projects of today get bought by some shady investors and the next updates won’t be free software anymore… These things happen. And it has little to do with a CLA (like this one). Happens to plain standard licenses without extras, too. And it does to ones with this kind of licensing. But this really isn’t the distinguishing factor.

I think what you mean is modified licenses. Or similar additions that render something not open source anymore. I agree, you should avoid those projects at all costs. But that’s a different story and not what this project is doing.

With this, it boils down to you don’t retain control over your contributions. You’re right with that. You’re giving them away and now your lines of code are their’s to do whatever they like. That’s not how open source contributions without a CLA work. But you still get something in return. You get a whole project licensed to you under a permissive license. They just demand to retain full control over the project as a whole, including contributions. And you can decide if that’s a cost you’re willing to pay when contributing code. The ‘rug-pulling’ is mainly unaffected. They could do this anyways. Just that it involves some trickery when it comes to third-party snippets within the code and selling it under a different license. But lots of companies already demonstrated you can perfectly rip off the open-source community legally, and it’s not substancially harder than with this CLA thing.

My point is a different one: While focusing on some small details of a hypothetical case that I think you got partly wrong… Have you checked for any big elephants in the room? Because I don’t see anyone talking about the database / search index and whether that’s available. The website is just a very small part and just the frontend to query the database. I’d say it’s almost pointless to discuss what we’re arguing about. I can code a search frontend website in a week, that’s not the point. And completely irrelevant if it’s open source… What about the data that powers the search engine? I think that’d be the correct question to ask. Not whether the frontend is 99% or 110% open source.

Let’s hope this means the resulting oversaturation/-production will then make laptops half the price for us Europeans.

I’m not sure if you people are paying attention to the right thing. It’s fairly common to do this. And it doesn’t mean they can take away anything. Everything will still be AGPL and still available. Someone is then going to fork it and maintain it as it happened with lots of other projects. This just means they’re also able to also sell it under different conditions, including your patches and contributions.

I think what you should pay attention to is, whether the search index is open or closed. That’s something with significant impact. Not if they’re able to monetize your small bugfix without paying you. I mean that’d be nice, too. But not a super big thing unless you contribute a substancial amount of code. I mean you get a whole open source search engine in return for signing away your copyright. And it doesn’t change anything for the people using the software. For them it’s still AGPL. And the maintainer could stop developing the software at any point, anyways. Could (and does) also happen to projects without a CLA.

And learning from the dataset is kinda the whole point of LLMs, right? I see some fundamental problems there. If you ask it where Alpacas are from, or which symptoms make some medical conditions, you want it to return what it memorized earlier. It kind of doesn’t help if it makes something else up to “preserve privacy”.

Do they address that? I see lots of flowery words like

Integrating privacy-preserving techniques often entails trade-offs, such as reduced accuracy or increased computational demands, […]

But I mean that’s just silly.

What does “Until Morale Improves” mean? I read the rest of the article but can’t find what this is about.

Let’s hope it’ll get us a few more Linux handheld devices and maybe closer to the dream of a decent Linux phone. I bought a Pinephone back then, but that’s pretty limited. And we also need better power management, software that is designed for small touchscreens. And support for the dozens of other diverse components in a phone, touchscreen, camera, gps, all the other chips… Having the SoC supported is only the minimum. Without the other drivers in place it doesn’t automatically provide us with an image on the screen etc. It’d be a big good step into the right direction, though.

Some of the German IT news sites I read seem to add a note if they change something of substance. I don’t think they do that for minor things or if they fix the spelling… I can’t find any example but I’m pretty sure I’ve read some articles on heise.de that ended in a paragraph ~we’ve corrected xyz which was stated incorrectly in an earlier version of the article~ They don’t do Git or anything like that, though.

Certain people in another large country are currently proposing tariffs.

We currently habe arbitrary numbers to choose from:
https://www.cio.com/article/3540579/devs-gaining-little-if-anything-from-ai-coding-assistants.html

I’ve read exactly the opposite article a few days ago:

https://www.cio.com/article/3540579/devs-gaining-little-if-anything-from-ai-coding-assistants.html

All is well that ends well? cough

Uh, nice. Seems fucking over their users and moderators turned out well for them. I wish there was some hidden sarcasm, but I don’t think there is.

Wow, that lasted a long time. I remember reading the original article a few days ago😆

Did they cover their asses and write down beforhand, it was just an experiment? Otherwise this is just some lame excuse and classic backpedaling.

I got the same warning for Mull. Is the patching so extensive? I always thought they have a patchset for some of the shortcomings and just apply that onto the newest Firefox version… Or do they do a full code review on all of the changes?

It’s some crypto blockchain stuff. You can store information (and computer code) in them, not just money transactions. I doubt it’s a huge thing in general. Could be a huge step forward for that specific project, though. We’ve been doing blockchains for quite some time now. And additionally we have peer to peer networks and other decentralized internet projects like IPFS an a buch of others without blockchains, and some other like Ethereum and this one with web3 technology, smart contracts and all the other buzzwords. All of that has been around for some time now. Decentralized networks exist for decades already.

I’m not sure what this is about. Could be something legit or just some hype by some person. The hello world page doesn’t impress me much.

Exactly. I don’t get why the author goes on and on speculating about other things, compensating for age and income levels… This would be quite an obvious reason… More simple minded people can easier be fooled. Both by what Americans call the conservative party, and by the ad companies…

The correct term is mass surveillance. I guess authors just have to put AI into every other headline for clickbait.

That’s a stupd headline. First of all it’s not necessarily causal, could be a correlation. So it can “predict …” not “affect …”. And does grammar even allow to use “your politics” like that?

The warning is a joke. Alike printing “Smoking kills” on ciragette packages, just that even less people care. And I doubt that sentence is going to change anything in a legal battle.

I’m like half convinced.
I think the dynamics are the same as with other things. Sometimes we like to escape reality. That can be done by reading books, watching TV or playing computer games. Or social media or watching some twitch streamer daily. I believe the latter is called parasocial interaction. It becomes an issue once done excessively. Or the lines get blurry. Or mental issues get into the mix.

Certainly AI chatbots are more convincing than some regular old book. (Allegedly already in 1775 we had young people commit copycat suicide after reading Goethe’s “The Sorrows of Young Werther”, so it’s not a new topic.) But an AI can get to you and exploit your individual needs and wants and really get to you. I read the effects are currently being studied. I skimmed some long papers, but it seems we don’t have a final answer, yet. About what that does psychologically.

I’ve tried roleplaying with AI. And I’ve also tried loading those characters like the famous AI therapist and pop culture characters. For me, it’s pretty clear it’s just a game. All of the interaction happens through text on the screen, I can’t touch them or talk to them verbally (yet). I’ve heard from some other people here on Lemmy, they don’t like the experience that is alike some pen and paper game… And I know how these things work, and that my hypothetical AI girlfriend is just a dream. So I don’t think I’m at harm. And I don’t think lots of other people are. But… obviously some people are. This isn’t the first article about people getting harmed. And I can see how you wouldn’t be able to defend yourself against some chatbot if you have serious issues or a mental condition.

I still think we can’t skip all the other factors at play. We need to address (teenage) loneliness, guns and not having a caring and healthy social/human environment. A proper education and giving people some knowledge how these things work and what they are, would certainly help, too. It’s always the same story. We leave people alone, without education, without a healthy social environment, the people close to them miss how much they’re struggling, there is guns laying on the desk…

And after the inevitable happened, we don’t address any of that. But completely focus on one topic that’s more symptom then cause. And that’s why I’m annoyed by the article.

(But I get there is some risk specific to chatbots that goes beyond other things. And it’s probably not just symptom, but also contributing factor. We’d need more non-sensationalist information to judge…)

Be cautious about the results when using them for googling and summarizing. I had them tell misinformation to me more than once. You’ll “learn” things that are counter-factual.

Translating is a very good use case. I also use them for that an it works very well. Better than any Google Translate. And I use it for roleplay, like a D&D campaign, just not with your friends, but alone and the AI narrates the story. And one-off things where I need some ideas to spark my creativity.

What I’ve tried apart from that are programming, re-phrasing my emails, … But I’ve never got any good results for that. Everytime I did that, I ended up not liking the result, deleting it and starting over and doing it myself.