Effectiveness when first made available in UK

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145696

Effectiveness with Delta variant:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58257863

You can’t “sources please” your way out of been wrong.

I am not suggesting that people don’t get vaccinated, but it’s very clear these vaccines haven’t hit the targets they were meant to. I personally don’t think newer varients count for all of the huge discrepancy between the claims and reality. We need better prophylactics and medicines than this. More widespread use of antivirals might help with this.

They actually come from Africa including Egypt. That’s where they belong.

Africa where they come from

Yeah, okay. So much less cruel to just trap and kill them all. Unless you’ve got a secret cat utopia where they can all go to.

Actually yeah that might be needed in some ecosystems. Having cats indoors doesn’t guarantee they won’t escape unfortunately. It should probably be illegal to buy and breed cats in many places around the world. Laws requiring they all be neutered would also help. I know Spain spays and kills feral cats regularly.

We need to find better, more sustainable, more local animals to replace them with.

It was never claimed to stop you getting it. Same as many vaccines it doesn’t give sterilising immunity.

They literally claimed that it prevented symptoms in 90+% of people. This is an outright lie.

None of this had to happen. We could have had a real quarantine, just a month or two back in 2019, but that would require making slightly less money for a brief period of time, so instead we get to live in eternal plague world. The hobbling of any effective covid response by our ruling class in favor of more lucrative half-measures and non-measures is beyond a humanitarian disaster, it’s a crime of unprecedented scale.

Yes it did. If all countries did this around the world many people would have starved to death. It’s simply not ethical. Without eliminating it everywhere it would spread eventually - just look at Australia.

You can’t even enforce a total lockdown in western countries without excluding “key workers” that would allow the virus to spread anyway.

Nothing you have suggested would work in the real world. The only solution to prevent this is new medicines and prophylactics. We have developed some of these in the form of antivirals but they are not used enough to stop the spread.

We already enjoy a level of health unknown to people 100 years ago even with COVID-19. There will always be new diseases and this is the nature of evolution unfortunately. Previous generations had to accept this, now we have to as well. I hate to say it but probably our current level of health and healthcare isn’t sustainable without further advances thanks to antibiotic and antiviral resistance. We will need to change our approach going forward using things like bacteriophages, increased sanitation, healthier life styles, less cattle antibiotics, and new treatments to keep up.

If you’re in an environment where cats are not natural and are invasive, don’t buy cats. Keeping them indoors isn’t a solution. It’s cruel for the cat unless you have an environment specifically set up to house them. All these problems come from people having cats in places they aren’t native and shouldn’t be to begin with.

Yeah I have never heard of spez being a pedophile. Unless he’s been convicted you shouldn’t be calling him that. It could be taken as defamation.

Also I fully get why people don’t want to move. Lemmy is a great idea but it’s a work in progress with a small user base. I lost my whole account not long ago. This a community which is already fragmented from moving platforms why would they go through that hell again when Lemmy might not even pan out.