I’m frankly amazed it’s not higher…
Fuck that. This is what I support.
Cut off access to all monetary gain completely form within Canada for all American citizens and corporations. Divest America from our stock market and business ownership in country.
Stop medical isotopes, potash, water, oil, gas and power as well as all car parts and assembly.
Turn off access to NORAD and boot all Americans employed there.
Divest CPP from American holdings and require all other Canadian pension plans to do the same.
Boot the American mega corps. Walmart, home Depot, MacDonald’s, engineering firms, large construction companies etc. or tax them beyond reason for operating in country.
Boot the burocrats, all of them. Wipe all the offices and buildings clean and offer them to nations willing to do the former US trade and play nice.
Encourage other countries to do the same and offer Canadian knowledge and systems to help with the transitions. Don’t just focus on home. Focus on the world.
Remove as many American products as possible from store shelves. Divest all universities and education from America completely.
Institute a massive brain drain campaign to welcome all American citizens with skills and knowledge especially in women’s health and reproduction, climate science, engineering, design etc. offer citizenship, full moving expenses, signing bonus’ and all the best perks if you work within government service for a certain period of time upon arrival.
Offer citizenship to influential American celebrities and artists that disagree with the current fascist administration.
Deny access for Canadian governments and businesses to American based social media platforms completely.
Take all those who are persecuted for their political or personal views and offer sanctuary in Canada. Set up mass immigration posts for current American citizens wanting to denounce their citizenship.
Immediate weapons technology pact with Ukraine. They have the most advanced weaponry for guerilla warfare against a larger more powerful nation. Support them fully and ask for help. We are each in the exact same situation just on different timelines.
Open immigration for American citizens fleeing persecution. Set up an office specifically for this and fast track anyone with medical or scientific backgrounds willing to fill empty positions in our healthcare or education systems.
Would it hurt? Fuck ya. Would it be worth it in the long run to untangle ourselves from that Gong show south of the border? Absolutely.
Fuck em. Shut it down.
As nice as that sounds, it’s not realistic. Instead, we need to sign tons of trade pacts with other countries. Divert our resources to allies that won’t turn on us, even if we need to subsidize some of it in the short term.
Rather than denying the US our resources and markets, it’s far better and more concrete to sell what we have to someone else. The US is dependent on our resources to run their economy, but there’s plenty of countries that want them as well. If we can refine our base resources and sell them as valued added products, even better.
I don’t get whey we sell the US crude when we can refine it all ourselves. Alberta should really be asking why they only have oil workers and not any refiners. Nunavut should be asking why they sell raw diamonds instead of cutting them themselves. We already make and sell high quality steel, aluminum, and uranium. Why not do the same for all the other natural resources we sell? And then sell them to Europe or East Asia instead of the US?
Europe’s losing access to many of their raw material producers as well as natural gas. Southeast Asia is both short on energy as well as being the fastest growing new producer and markets. And East Asia will always need reliable energy and potash. And then all this applies to India as well, even if there’s some problems with their current government.
As much as I hate Americans, we won’t be able to do that anytime soon
Joining the EU and not letting conservatives anywhere near any level of government is our best action right now
Take a page from China.
Inject a layer of government ownership preventing foreign companies from actually owning any part of Canada.
Yes. Start with farmland and boot china too.
Do you want Marines patrolling our streets? While I agree with the sentiment, there is a non zero chance that this would qualify Canada into the oil for freedom kinetic négociation program. Our best option is to wait for the inevitable usa civil war to come and hope it doesn’t spill too much north.
Sit back and let fascism root in our own country as well. Good plan. That’s what America has done. Italy as well. France is on the way. Germany too…should I continue.
Why do you think the only two options here are your narrow ideas or nothing at all?
To be clear: the approach you’ve outlined is incompatible with anti-fascism. Therefore you can’t claim that moral high horse. Your approach is fundamentally flawed in that it’s still dogmatically invested in capitalistic top-down power consolidation.
Please, dear god. Get off the internet and sign up to help your local mutual aid organizations. We can do so so so much more to combat fascism by reminding each other of our collective strength, compassion, and humanity. That really is the antidote to fascism, and we all need to be working toward that more than anything our federal government can do via tarrifs or trade bans.
I didn’t say anything about my narrow ideas or that they are the only way. nothing at all. Your words.
I’ll keep my trauma kit stocked (trained medic with decades of experience) and my knowledge updated. I’ll grow food and share with my neighbors as I always have and I will offer my knowledge and what is left of my body to fight tyranny the only way it understands. My life is mutual aid for my fellow man. I have dedicated my life mind and body to serve in a job for my fellow man that is not appreciated by the society it helps. I volunteer locally with many organizations that deal with feeding people and offer my knowledge and time to educate young people in my community. I donate to my local food bank fresh food grown in my large garden and greenhouse. Assuming you know me because you disagree with me just makes you an ass.
And I support decoupling as quickly as possible and even becoming antagonistic towards the US regime and it’s corporate structure regardless of political or social consequence.
I support decoupling as quickly as possible
Me too, we just differ on how quickly that can happen without driving average people into the arms of fascists.
30% of our population would be glad to see it, and 30% is all it took in the US this past election.
While I agree with the sentiment, there is a non zero chance that this would qualify Canada into the oil for freedom kinetic négociation program.
No way in hell that happens. Not because of Trump’s geopolitical acumen, mind you, but because it’d start a civil war, split the country in half and turn America into a global pariah state. And either way America does not have what it takes to occupy Canada. See: Afghanistan.
That’s all well and good until the electorate revolts by putting the CPC in charge next cycle. No thank you, if only for the fact it’s politically incompatible with anti-fascism. You can’t make such broad moves and expect there won’t be backlash. Canadians are NOT immune to the same thing happening up here that’s happening south of the border.
Fascism is coming whether you like it or not. It is coming for Canada as it has around the world. Not standing up now ensures we will fall. It is not a time in the world to play nice regardless of the political situation, which is as useless here as it is south of the border. Voting is a fallacy you all prop up every chance you get even when it fails you repeatedly.
There will be backlash. We must resist it and endure. That is how change occurs.
There are effective ways to fight fascism.
These are based on showing people there is a better way, and in particular showing average people that the left is working for them.
And then there are ways that directly embolden fascism by senselessly cratering the lives of everyday people thereby driving the masses directly into the arms of the far right.
You can’t just disentangle overnight, unfortunately. And I’m sorry but if you don’t think backlash is something that can/should be mitigated by an effective strategy then you haven’t been paying attention.
A far more effective antidote to fascism is mutual aid.
Seems to be working well so far.
What are you even talking about? Engagement in local politics and mutual aid is at historic lows, in large part due to the influence of US central social media corporations.
Real talk: is there such a thing as a non-tariff response to what the US is doing that doesn’t amount to, essentially, rolling over while the US to curb stomps us? What’s the alternative? Because 70% seems low.
Recalling all Canadian hockey players in the American hockey league?
Cutting off the power we supply to them.
Isolated places like Point Roberts would be screwed, and the rest of the US would feel it too.
I’m highly skeptical of the impact this would have, I don’t think the US would feel it much at all. Those isolated places are about it but that probably wouldn’t last long and I doubt US leadership cares much.
Plus that and a lot of the other stuff people are suggesting are single-use weapons. We can only do them once. Be wary of using such measures so early into this.
Real talk: is there such a thing as a non-tariff response to what the US is doing that doesn’t amount to, essentially, rolling over while the US to curb stomps us?
There’s definitely more drastic responses. Rather than simply imposing a tariff, you could go really extreme and throw up a full blown embargo of US goods. You could put a tax on exports (lumber and energy) equivalent to their tariff on imports, further discouraging trade on those goods because you know the US buyers are working against an inelastic good. You could threaten to withdraw from NAFTA or start entering into friendlier trade agreements with US rivals (start doing more business with China or start selling direct to Cuba or Nicaragua or Venezuela).
Retaliatory tariffs are just seen as equal-and-opposite and therefore a legitimate reprisal. The other stuff would be (not unfairly) seen as an escalation and likely upset more than just the Trump base of support.
I love how 1/3 of your population is similarly batshit insane to about the 1/3 of ours that elected him.
This is why I say it’s not the American people who are to blame. I wish more people understood this. Canadian society isn’t immune from the exact same thing coming up here, especially if the CPC wins and sells us out to the US. Lord knows too many of our population is culturally indoctrinated by US social media platforms.
70% of the US population DID NOT vote for Trump—they were either disillusioned with democracy (abstained) or voted for the least-bad option (Kamala). And of the remaining 30%, many of them don’t necessarily like Trump so much as they were duped enough into thinking he was less bad than the alternative.
There’s a 20-30% threshold of people who will believe just about anything.
Or it could just be that 30% haven’t been paying attention to the news for the past month or so.
A bunch of Americans do, as well!
Just put full embargo’s on potash to start. See how they do with spring on its way and farmers needing fertilizers.
Why retaliate with tariffs which only hurt Canadians and not strategically embargo certain good exports and eliminate US IP protections in the US?
They haven’t been planning blanket tariffs on everything, at least not initially. If you’ve been following the news, officials specifically said they were trying to avoid tariffs on things that affect average Canadians as much as possible. The starting plan was to target red states and Tesla, last I heard. We’ve also got a deal with Japan for selling oil and likely Europe will want some too. Then there’s turning the lights off via the Hydroelectric supply.
The retaliatory tariffs are being strategically chosen and placed in a way that impacts magas the most.
Because that’s what it is going to take to remove American influence. Yes it will hurt Canadians. Yes we have to buckle down and do things that suck once and a while in life.
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%3 tariff on all US goods. Then add another %3 after 4 months (why? I dunno, this is all stupid anyway), then again 4 months after that! Slowly cook it. Use the extra money made to put towards supporting the workers that lost their jobs. Put additional money towards the 2% nato target - maybe make it 4% instead.
Does this sound stupid? Instead of all out matching their percentages, slowly and methodically eat away over time, targeting the red states. Then eventually, when we hit around 25% on US goods from red states, start again with the same strategy with the blue states. Why not? It’s all stupid. But, if we’re going to take a massive hit, might as well stave off the blow for Canadians for a while until we can find alternatives and maybe get manufacturing going and more trade.
