• Zelaya@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    It’s an information war like Hilary Clinton said.

    The link goes to a site created less than two months ago kyivinsider. The source is from Alliance4europe.This is part of the DISARM Foundation, also know for AMITT (Adversarial Misinformation and Influence Tactics and Techniques) framework.

    That one belongs to the Credibility Coalition, and that one to Meedan. A San Francisco based organization funded by the US National Science Foundation and many organizations like Meta, Amazon, etc.

    The Russians are amateurs at propaganda in comparison to the US.

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      Propagandan is one of Kremlin’s biggest tools, and it has been since the wall went up and it certainly never stopped when it came down.

      Over time it has become the cheapest way for them for sow discord and infighting between their adversaries. Moving it online made it even cheaper and they’ve been at it hard the past decade or two.

      Obviously the US have their own operations, but your point is not correct in any way. Look at what they’ve accomplished. The world is in chaos and they’re largely responsible for a lot or even most of it, depending on how you look at the big picture.

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        I didn’t express that last part correctly. I meant that it was probably a single guy making those bots. A lot more effective that multiple funders, agencies, organizations and private companies working on “democracy” and “transparency”.

        As for the fault. The trouble started with a coup in 2014. Then internal conflict and then Russia entered differently with war. At every step of the conflict you have the US behind. The coup to put a US puppet, arming them, blowing up Russian infrastructure, and using other countries to block Russian gas in favor of more expensive American gas. Russia has made clear they don’t tolerate NATO in Ukraine. It is as logical as Russia putting military bases in Canada or Mexico.

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          You’re wasting your time. I happen to live in a country with a very long border to Russia (guess which one) and I know you’re full of shit simply because we’re dealing with the motherfuckers daily. NATO is and always has been a defensive alliance. We all know that. Russia is simply using it as a really idiotic excuse to do what they wanted to do in the first place. We all know that too.

          Simply put, the time for this kind of bullshit is over and done for. Nobody that isn’t already dumb enough to side with those fucknuts believes any of this shit.

          As for the US, yeah well up until Putin and his cronies got all the clowns to come out they weren’t actively harming anyone deliberately. Sure, there are war crimes and assholes all over, but also a lot of good-natured and sincerely well meaning people. There have also been trials and sentences for said assholes, as opposed to Russia where you can beat your wife to death and it’s all good.

          You don’t find a lot of good in Russia, and you haven’t for a long time. My grandfather fought them, and either me or my son will probably fight them eventually. We’ve already taken action once. It won’t stop there.

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            You are all dying for an American cause and corrupt local politics if you are Ukrainian. And I am not supporting Russia. There is no good guy here. In the past some countries in Latin America got destroyed be the US for being too friendly with Russia. That is what happens between two powers who want control. The Ukraine war is about arm deals, corruption and money laundering. And I have heard that from an Ukrainian.

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              Finnish, not Ukrainian. Whenever a second front opens up, and it will, it’ll be right here.

              You might’ve talked to one Ukrainian. I’ve lived right next to the fucking russians my entire life, and I’m telling you you’re utterly wrong.

              You might not listen, but that’s on you.

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      2 days ago

      I love how this post makes a bunch of claims, and yet provides zero sources, and thus, has absolutely zero value.

      It’s digital noise, spam at best, evil misinformation at worst.

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        It took time to look that up. The link doesn’t even have an about page. And an IP search shows it is a new site. From there the actual source site (German) you follow back the about pages back to the original sources. There is no need to for a bunch of links. Anyone can verify.