Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI’s Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the Fediverse, and then ran AI analysis to alter the content.

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    6 months ago

    You missed the point. It is not about if it is private or not, it is how they use it. You are allowed (on some pages) to read news article. Are you allowed to copy and publish them on your own site? No. You have a Copyright on your posts same as a author has on his books.

    If it is legal or not is still to be discussed.

    Similar to how data was mined (or even still is) about users without consent. Now there is for example the GDPR.

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      6 months ago

      Still doesn’t explain how public posts on a public, decentralized social media platform are implied to be “mine” or that I have any influence on the end use. It’s hosted on someone else’s computer from the get go, if anything the server owners are the content owners more than I am.

      Edit it’d be like if I started seeding a file on a torrent platform, then got upset when someone downloaded it.

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        I write a book that gets published. I still hold copyright over it even if it is in someone else’s bookshelf. What rights the copyright holder and the person has is regulated by law. For example a physical book can be resold or lent to someone else, but it is not allowed to copy it and sell the copies.

        I can cite text from the boom, that falls under fair use but I cannot use whole chapters in a derived work.

        I still hold copyright over my messages online, even when it is public or published, that is basic copyright law in most relevant legislations. If the training of an LLM and later selling access to the LLM with copyright infringed data is fair use is yet to be determined.

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          6 months ago

          There is no copyright on publicly posted messages.

          Edit none that is durable

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            Sure there is, most messages are probably too short but in general yes. There is no difference to an online article.

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              There is no evidence you have any durable rights to your comments on Lemmy. It’s hosted on someone else’s machine and they have complete control.