“Consumption of milk per capita has gone down every year over the last 30 years,” says Sylvain Charlebois, director of the Agri-Food Analytics Lab at Dalhousie University. “Actually, it’s gone down by more than 20 per cent since 2015.”

While bagged milk is often cited as a unique Canadianism, it’s actually not sold west of Ontario. Those who prefer it, however, say it’s more cost efficient and some even believe it tastes better.

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    Glass’s issue is transportation cost, so you’ll want to make milk supply more local…wait a minute, this is starting to sound like commie shit

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      We have glass bottle milk in vancouver area. $1-$2 deposit on the bottle, good incentive to return it when you get your new bottle.

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        I don’t know if I can sarcastically say ‘sounds like commie shit’ any harder before it would sound like I’m actually against it

        That does sound fantastic. How’s the shelf(/fridge) life of the milk?

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          It seemed on par with jugged/bagged milk as they were pasturizing it. It tasted much better though more like the milk I remember from the UK as a kid. Not sure if they feed differently or just smaller batches that get to market sooner.

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          Used to live across the border in Southern BC. Had access to a glass-bottled, “cream-top” (non-homogenized) milk from a local dairy. Fridge life was in-line with regular jugs. Plus, it tasted better and was likely healthier ([EDIT: have not found verification for this at this time] homogenized milk contains fat globules small enough to directly absorb into the bloodstream without digestion, possibly contributing to heart disease).

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            Do you have a source for the fat molecules bit? That is a wild assertion, crazy if true. But I’m pretty sure fat doesn’t work like that.

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              I was thinking the same thing. Fat isn’t water (read:blood) soluble, and I have a hard time imagining any significant amount emulsing into your blood stream

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                Indeed. It is worth noting that fat globules in dairy aren’t JUST lipid. They are really a mixture of lipids, glycolipids, proteins, and other stuff. The glycolipids and proteins have polar and non-polar parts and organize into a membrane around the non-polar (hydrophobic) lipid fraction, keeping it from precipitating out of solution. Effectively, milk fat globules come with their own emulsifiers.

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              Have been looking for a reputable source on that - busy on work projects. Might be something that has been shown to be bunk at this point. I did, however, find a few recent interesting papers characterizing the physical structural changes that occur with homogenization. IIRC, the average globule size gets reduced to ~1μm in diameter.

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                  I would say that it’s currently unverified and potentially bunk. Have updated the comment to note this and will do so again if I’m not able to find supporting (non-opinion) academic papers. Thank you for asking for evidence and making me reexamine something that I “know”.

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        My wife says no cows, because apparently I underestimate the amount of milk a cow makes. I’m gonna have to get used to goat milk

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            It is much easier to raise a goat on a small acreage than it is to farm enough oats to extract a worthwhile amount of oat milk.

            Also, haven’t liked any oat milk I’ve tried. To be fair I don’t like goat milk either, but it is much closer to what I’m used to, and would definitely be easier to get used to

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          There is NextMilk and NotMilk brands., both formulated to be similar to actual milk in texture, and taste. You won’t be “Wow, I can’t believe it’s not milk” But it is surprising close compared to oat, soy, or almond milks

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              As in your love of actual cow milk, or the oats takes a lot of farming debate? Not Milk is like pineapple juice cabbage juice and other components that somehow come together to work like milk.

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                Oats take a lot of space and equipment to farm, and any brand name anything doesn’t help; the idea here was self-sufficiency

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                  Ah, I see. Goat milk takes some getting used to. Good luck on the self-sufficiency. We had a half acre before for veggies, and a giant pear tree which made good Perry every year.

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                    I would fucking love a pear tree. I don’t really like apples, but pears are delicious, and if there’s too many to eat, well…as you suggested, I’d drink them

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      There was a local dairy in my hometown and they had a little shack set up on the road where you could buy bottles of milk. It was the best milk I’ve ever drunk in my life.

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        There’s a dairy in my city that’s really taking off in recent years with the same glass approach too. A lot of restaurants, cafes, etc all using their stuff now and if their social media following is any indication then a fair bit of regular consumers too. I like to remain optimistic that stuff like this continues to inspire more sustainable, local food and beverage companies.