One way I look at historic figures for who might and might not been a high functioning autistic individual is to look at how well they may have functioned socially vs. How technical they were.
Take William Bligh for example. He was the captain of the Bounty when the famous mutiny happened. Contrary to popular belief, he wasn’t some tyrannical captain who was so monstrous that his crew were pushed beyond human dignity. He actually was milder than most captains and had unusual methods of keeping his crew in shape. For example he ordered his crew to dance on a daily basis. Why? Because for prolonged periods of time there was actually minimal activity needed on the ship, so many sailors would be lazy and get out of shape. By having them dance he was trying to keep them in shape to do their jobs when needed.
It worked and it was practical, but it made everyone hate him. He was a highly socially inept man and the mutiny on the bounty was NOT the only mutiny or rebellion he had to deal with.
But… as a sailor he was brilliant. He really did manage to keep his men healthier than normal, and as a navigator he was probably one of the best to have ever lived. No joke. When the crew set him adrift on a raft with the few loyal members with him. He navigated across the open pacific without a map and nonexistent tools, working only by memory and the stars that he had memorized and managed to make a trek of thousands of kilometers to the nearest safe port.
That kind of obsession on detail is not something that comes without being somewhat on the spectrum.
When I think of Autistic people from history I think of Buster Keaton. Buster Keaton was known for his stone cold appearance and there is a lot of evidence that he was Autistic. I also wonder if some of the “witches” in the witch trails were actually just Autistic women.
There are also a plenty of other “might be Autistic” historical figures but it is rather hard to actually make any conclusions especially when you start going back centuries. Everyone from Ada Lovelace to Leonardo da Vinci to Alan Turning. I honesty think there could be a link between Autism and major breakthroughs.
One person I have never really been sure about is Hildegard of Bingen. There isn’t a lot to go one but she seemed very dedicated to a few things so maybe.
There’s also a hypothesis I’ve seen floating around that Celtic bards and Nordic Skalds may have had higher rates of autism. Basically the idea is that the requirements for memorizing, maintenance, and application of laws which they kept would be easier for folks with autism.
So anything that tries to level the playing field means there’s a “movement” that seeks to take everything from white men, that about right?
Grow the fuck up and accept responsibility for your own mistakes. There isn’t some great conspiracy to keep you down, you’re doing that all on your own.
Ok, but it is no secret that there are people with autism that have severe difficulties with basically every task, while there are autistic people who can live their lives with manageable symptoms, and then there are autistic people who have talents neurotypical people can only dream of. I would not call them levels, but there must be a system to discern between those groups, and if it isn’t one that is quick and easy, it will probably not be used by the large majority of people. I know that Asperger’s is not ok anymore to use, but every other system will have to discern the 3 different groups, or am I mistaken?
One way I look at historic figures for who might and might not been a high functioning autistic individual is to look at how well they may have functioned socially vs. How technical they were.
Take William Bligh for example. He was the captain of the Bounty when the famous mutiny happened. Contrary to popular belief, he wasn’t some tyrannical captain who was so monstrous that his crew were pushed beyond human dignity. He actually was milder than most captains and had unusual methods of keeping his crew in shape. For example he ordered his crew to dance on a daily basis. Why? Because for prolonged periods of time there was actually minimal activity needed on the ship, so many sailors would be lazy and get out of shape. By having them dance he was trying to keep them in shape to do their jobs when needed.
It worked and it was practical, but it made everyone hate him. He was a highly socially inept man and the mutiny on the bounty was NOT the only mutiny or rebellion he had to deal with.
But… as a sailor he was brilliant. He really did manage to keep his men healthier than normal, and as a navigator he was probably one of the best to have ever lived. No joke. When the crew set him adrift on a raft with the few loyal members with him. He navigated across the open pacific without a map and nonexistent tools, working only by memory and the stars that he had memorized and managed to make a trek of thousands of kilometers to the nearest safe port.
That kind of obsession on detail is not something that comes without being somewhat on the spectrum.
It was a longboat, not a raft, and he had a sextant and almanac so he could look up rise and set times for stars. He lacked charts.
It was a remarkable feat
When I think of Autistic people from history I think of Buster Keaton. Buster Keaton was known for his stone cold appearance and there is a lot of evidence that he was Autistic. I also wonder if some of the “witches” in the witch trails were actually just Autistic women.
There are also a plenty of other “might be Autistic” historical figures but it is rather hard to actually make any conclusions especially when you start going back centuries. Everyone from Ada Lovelace to Leonardo da Vinci to Alan Turning. I honesty think there could be a link between Autism and major breakthroughs.
One person I have never really been sure about is Hildegard of Bingen. There isn’t a lot to go one but she seemed very dedicated to a few things so maybe.
There’s also a hypothesis I’ve seen floating around that Celtic bards and Nordic Skalds may have had higher rates of autism. Basically the idea is that the requirements for memorizing, maintenance, and application of laws which they kept would be easier for folks with autism.
Yes, yes, autism is a super power and only autistic people deserve voting rights or can be competent and motivated, calm down, Elons.
That is your reaction to a group of marginalised people realising that a niche has always existed for them?
You need to reexamine your life choices.
Sure bro, that’s what happening, and there isn’t a very real autism supremacist movement
So anything that tries to level the playing field means there’s a “movement” that seeks to take everything from white men, that about right?
Grow the fuck up and accept responsibility for your own mistakes. There isn’t some great conspiracy to keep you down, you’re doing that all on your own.
Sure bro, that’s what’s happening in this conversation.
I don’t want to seam pedantic. Levels in autism is profoundly discriminatory.
Profound Concerns about “Profound Autism”: Dangers of Severity Scales and Functioning Labels for Support Needs
Ok, but it is no secret that there are people with autism that have severe difficulties with basically every task, while there are autistic people who can live their lives with manageable symptoms, and then there are autistic people who have talents neurotypical people can only dream of. I would not call them levels, but there must be a system to discern between those groups, and if it isn’t one that is quick and easy, it will probably not be used by the large majority of people. I know that Asperger’s is not ok anymore to use, but every other system will have to discern the 3 different groups, or am I mistaken?
You are correct. It’s the ol Euphemism Treadmill again. And again and again and again.