Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.
Ambassador Sergey Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, son-in-law and confidant to then-President-elect Trump, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.
The meeting also was attended by Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser.
This article is a bit old, but considering the constant MAGA whines of “No Russian collusion!!!” it is important to remember who was actually running our government for 4 years.
It wasn’t that long ago that this kind of conspiracy would land someone in prison for the rest of their life.
In 1994 Aldrich Ames, a CIA case officer was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole for being a Russian agent. He certainly had far, far less access to classified information than Trump, Kushner and Flynn.
But in his case, there was proof that and what information he shared, right? Because right now, I don’t think there’s (public) information on what Trump’s government gave the russians
Does it matter? They were trying to communicate with a hostile power and hide those communications from their own government. If that’s not treason, i don’t know what is.
In the case of Ames, yes there was.
From Wikipedia
The CIA also realized that, despite Ames’ annual salary being $60,000, he could afford:
A $540,000 house in Arlington, Virginia, paid for in cash
A $50,000 Jaguar luxury car
Home remodeling and redecoration costs of $99,000
Monthly phone bills exceeding $6,000, mostly calls by Ames’ wife to her family in Colombia
Premium credit cards, on which the minimum monthly payment exceeded his monthly salary
In March 1993, the CIA and FBI began an intensive investigation of Ames that included electronic surveillance, combing through his trash and the installation of a monitor in his car to track his movements. From November 1993 until his arrest, Ames was kept under virtually constant physical surveillance. When, in early 1994, he was scheduled to attend a conference in Moscow, the FBI believed it could wait no longer, and he and his wife were arrested on February 21
not a bright fella was he?
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There’s a ridiculous amount proof of a Trump conspiracy with Russia that’s already public, but when the traitors are actually running the CIA, FBI, and Justice Department laws don’t get enforced. Even after the administration changes the same organizations do not want to investigate because many of their employees would be found actively and passively complicit in one or more conspiracy.
A tiny portion of the unredacted findings from the Senate Intelligence Report on Russian Interference in the 2016 Election:
The Committee’s bipartisan Report unambiguously shows that members of the Trump Campaign cooperated with Russian efforts to get Trump elected. It recounts efforts by Trump and his team to obtain dirt on their opponent from operatives acting on behalf of the Russian government. It reveals the extraordinary lengths by which Trump and his associates actively_sought to enable the Russian interference operation by amplifying its electoral impact and rewarding its perpetrators - even after being warned of its Russian origins. And it presents, for the first time, concerning evidence that the head of the Trump Campaign was directly connected to the Russian meddling through his communications with an individual found to be a Russian intelligence officer.
Additionally, the Committee’s bipartisan Report shows that, at the June 9, 2016 meeting in Trump Tower, senior members of the Campaign sought, explicitly, to receive derogatory information for electoral benefit from a Russian lawyer known to have ties to the Russian government, with the understanding that the information was part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Prior to and during that meeting, members of the Trump Campaign’s leadership clearly stated their desire to receive the promised derogatory Russian information, and ultimately they also clearly expressed their displeasure that the Russian information that was presented was not sufficiently damaging.
The Committee’s bipartisan Report shows that, during the campaign, Donald Trump and the Trump Organization were pursuing a business deal in Russia. This is a topic about which the Campaign and its associates misled the public and Congress. The Committee’s Report shows that Trump’s outreach to the Kremlin began early and that during the Republican’ ’ primary campaign, around the time that Trump authorized pursuit of the Russia deal, Trump asked for an in-person meeting with Putin.
There may be some who attempt to minimize the seriousness of Trump’s actions, or the actions of his associates, by arguing that these individuals were motivated simply by self- interest or self-promotion. This argument overlooks that when self-interest is intertwined with the goals of a malign Russian influence operation, and when self-interest promotes the known Russian effort while also being promote~ by that same Russian effort, then self-interest and Russia’s interest become one and the same. Moreover, this argument misunderstands the deep counterintelligence vulnerability that is created when those who seek positions of great power, or proximity to that power, are willing to trade away national security for personal gain.
Candidate Trump’s pursuit of private business in Russia during the campaign, and his Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort’s deep financial ties to a Kremlin-aligned Russian.oligarch during the campaign, are not the only sources of leverage to which Trump and his Campaign were vulnerable. The Committee’s bipartisan Report shows that dt1ring the campaign Trump maintained personal correspondence with a Russian oligarch and his adult son on topics including the upcoming U.S. election. The Moscow-based oligarch and his son, who were involved in offering the Trump Campaign derogatory information related to the election and who gave Trump a sizable gift during the Campaign, maintain significant and concerning connections 'not only to Kremlin leadership but also to Russian organized crime. Trump had previously done business with the oligarch in Moscow.
This is ONLY about the 2016 conspiracy. There’s copious public information about continuing Russian contact, including known releases of highly classified information to Russia by Trump. Suggesting that there isn’t public information is ill-informed at best.
I think it will take decades to figure out just how much damage Trump and his ilk did to our national security.
Probably also because several high ranking security officials were and are still loyal to Trump and are trying to keep much of this stuff under wraps
Which makes them a part of a criminal conspiracy, another reason for the continued secrecy and lack of investigations.
Somehow it’s always the people you most expect.
That is actual treason
This, from the guy who online campaign was 90% Russian bots? :shocked_pikachu:
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Kislyak reportedly was taken aback by the suggestion of allowing an American to use Russian communications gear at its embassy or consulate — a proposal that would have carried security risks for Moscow as well as the Trump team.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from matters related to the Russia investigation after it was revealed that he had failed to disclose his own meetings with Kislyak when asked during congressional testimony about any contact with Russians.
But new administrations are generally cautious in their handling of interactions with Moscow, which U.S. intelligence agencies have accused of waging an unprecedented campaign to interfere in last year’s presidential race and help elect Trump.
Obama administration officials say members of the Trump transition team never approached them about arranging a secure communications channel with their Russian contacts, possibly because of concerns about leaks.
The Obama White House only learned that the crown prince of Abu Dhabi was flying to New York in December to see Kushner, Flynn and Stephen K. Bannon, another top Trump adviser, because U.S. border agents in the UAE spotted the Emirate leader’s name on a flight manifest.
In addition to their discussion about setting up the communications channel, Kushner, Flynn and Kislyak also talked about arranging a meeting between a representative of Trump and a “Russian contact” in a third country whose name was not identified, according to the anonymous letter.
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Inofficial channels like this are a not an unusual thing generally, no?
Not on this scale, not with such hostile governments, not with such sensitive information, not in this kind of secrecy and not in such an unprofessional manner.
Have you heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/05/john-f-kennedy-had-a-russian-back-channel.html
The meeting described above took place in 1960, and the “close adviser” was the incoming president’s brother, Robert F. Kennedy. It is not unusual for the Russians to want to establish contacts with an incoming presidential administration, especially when there is tension between the two countries.
They also had a direct line to speak with each other. Red phone in the white house.
RFK Jr. also speaks about that.
edit: word
Yes it is.
“according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials.” !
Wow. Very interesting.
“Russia at times feeds false information into communication streams it suspects are monitored as a way of sowing misinformation and confusion among U.S. analysts.”
That was my thought too.
The White House disclosed the meeting…
The White House literally confirmed this meeting happened.
Also, the Russians will feed information that hurts the us as a whole and Democrats specifically, but will spare trump
I don’t doubt it, but what I was getting at was that I wonder if Kushner hasn’t had more serious investigations into these allegations because it is hard to 100% prove and the article brings that up. Obviously Kushner isn’t going to say anything to the FBI, and Flynn is also being silent so the FBI has to rely on a potentially sketchy source. Not much to stand on given that I’m hoping we get to see Kushner in jail one day.
But officials said that it’s unclear what Kislyak would have had to gain by falsely characterizing his contacts with Kushner to Moscow, particularly at a time when the Kremlin still saw the prospect of dramatically improved relations with Trump.
Wow look at that reaction! You guys think I’m a MAGA or something because I quoted this?
