• LostWon@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    Horribly vague headline, but excellent piece as far as I could read for now (not feeling well today and my head’s starting to hurt). I look forward to reading the rest of the details on those recommendations. I hope the party listens to this kid!

    • Value Subtracted@startrek.websiteOP
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      3 days ago

      One thing he doesn’t touch on (much) is that a significant number of NDP supporters - probably “working class” supporters - seemed to flip to the Conservatives, and not the Liberals.

      The party is going to have to reckon with that, too.

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        a significant number of NDP supporters - probably “working class” supporters - seemed to flip to the Conservatives, and not the Liberals.

        Yes, and this is incredibly troubling.

        There were many surprising conservative votes in the GTA (resulting in quite a few flipped seats). What I don’t understand, is how do municipalities with large immigrant populations, vote for a party of anti-immigrants?

        We saw in the States many Latinos voting for Trump. What are you thinking at that point??

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          I think it’s a nuanced question - I’ve heard that the Cuban community in Florida is very Republican because they’re seen as stronger against the Cuban regime.

          In other cases, I think people are very willing to vote for people who promise to help them with their most immediate problems (regardless of how credible those promises are), and overlook the rest.

          And we should never underestimate the willingness of people to close a door behind them once they’ve gotten through it.

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            All of that makes me sad, tbh.

            Yes, believing a lie (or hundreds of them) could explain it. But when you’re talking about trump, especially on a second term, you can’t claim ignorance!

            But as a Canadian of immigrants, I feel like we should be lifting each other up, not “shutting the door” behind us (great description, btw!).

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              Another thing to consider is that many people simply aren’t that engaged, and the news ecosystem on both sides of the border has deteriorated to the point where it’s very easy to go through life with bad information, or no information at all.

              It’s probably not that hard for a low-information voter to be swayed by big talk, even if they’re not a cultist.

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      Liberals and conservatives are the establishement but he think that npd is the one who represent the establishment and it’s a major?

      When did npd abondon workers? In this election policies to support them is still in the platform abd Singh adressed those in the debate to. He was also endorsed by the Canadian Union of Public Employees and The United Steelworkers.

      Unlike conservatives Singh adressed the root problem of rhe housing price increase and talked about the high cost of living.

      NPD did nothing wrong and had the same type of compaign as usual. They just need to find another leader that inspire confidence and hope that the usa threat stop

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        When did npd abondon workers?

        When they stopped acting and speaking like them. It’s not an issue of policy, but ones of community, identity, and trust.

        The NDP is really bad at showing different parts of the electorate the side that speaks to them. Rural blue collar folks keep seeing talking points about urban student issues, people struggling with mortgage payments keep hearing talk about landlords. They keep talking about spending money on “everybody else”, and give working class people the feeling that they are the ones who will have to pay for it, even now as they feel more squeezed than ever.

        Plus, everyone looks so damn prim and proper and lawyery.

        The conservatives at least speak to their frustrations and anger. They offer a conduit for it, and a sense of catharsis, even if they have no interest in solving the problem. The conservatives feel better to side with. They don’t just tell them that they are right to feel angry, they make them feel safe to feel angry.

        The NDP doesn’t do that. The NDP makes them feel judged for feeling angry, even while the party tells them that their anger makes sense.

        And so they feel unseen, and abandoned.

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            They’re good at communication. Communication is getting your point across in a way that your audience understands.

            Progressives are terrible at it - we keep changing the names of things, and use increasingly complex language for trivial stuff.